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Topic: No more VP MR9...WHAT NOW?!
Posted By: Brock
Subject: No more VP MR9...WHAT NOW?!
Date Posted: December/18/2008 at 3:49pm

MR11 vs. MR9 vs. MRX01 

From our dyno and track testing, we have found the MR11 and MR9 are almost identical fuels from a performance standpoint. We have also seen no need for map changes in between these three fuels for 99% of our customers. The only real exception to this would be AMA Dragbike super sport racing to squeeze the last .001 out of the bike during national competition. The average rider and racer will not notice the difference.  

VP Racing Fuels Claims:
MR11TM
Recommended for 4-stroke applications where octane requirements are fairly low, e.g. Supersport, Superbike, Formula Extreme, Supermoto and MX. Delivers up to 6% more power than pump gas and any basic non-oxygenated racing fuel. AMA-legal except for Supercross and Outdoor Nationals.

  • Color: Yellow
  • Oxygenated: Yes
  • Motor Octane: 90
  • Specific Gravity: 0.749 at 60° F

 

MR9
Designed for 4-stroke applications that can tolerate lower octane values. Makes up to 8% more power than pump gas and up to 2% more power than MRX01. Used by every champion in AMA Superbike Pro classes in 2004 and 2005, as well as the Supermoto, Supermoto Lite, and Supermoto Unlimited championships in 2005. Although currently not legal in AMA Pro Racing, MR9 passes fuel rules for AMA amateur racing as well as club-level racing, CCS, WERA, and AFM.

  • Color: Clear
  • Oxygenated: Yes
  • Motor Octane: 87
  • Specific Gravity: 0.718 at 60° F

 

MRX01
Recommended for 2- and 4-stroke applications. Delivers up to 6% more power than pump gas and any basic non-oxygenated racing fuel. Excellent for high compression road race applications. Can be mixed with MR9 to raise octane level for specific applications. Clean burning — leaves intake and exhaust valves virtually free of deposits for maximum airflow and performance from start to finish. AMA-legal except for Supercross and Outdoor Nationals.

  • Color: Pink
  • Oxygenated: Yes
  • Motor Octane: 98
  • Specific Gravity: 0.717 at 60° F

 

We have tested both fuels against MRX01, which both net about a 2% increase over MRX01.  Our test bike, 2008 stock-motored Hayabusa; we found (on a very hot day) MR11 made about 200 HP.  When MRX01 was dyno-ed the same day (within 1 hour), we found it made 196HP.  Both fuels (MR11 and MR9) are highly oxygenated, which causes them to have very fast burn rates, so nitrous use is HIGHLY discouraged. 

You will notice the MR11 has an octane rating of 90 while the octane rating of the MR9 is only 87. This has proven beneficial to the performance of the latest models (2007-2008 Hayabusa’s and GSX-R1000's) which come with increased compression ratios from the factory.

We are currently testing several varieties of the new AMA Dragbike-approved XXX Racing fuel for 2009. Initial results have been very impressive, especially for an environmentally friendly/“green” product. We will continue our testing, and post results soon.

 

Brock

 

Special thanks to Jason Gillum of Brock's Performance for the test results and information provided, using our in-house Dynojet model 250I dynamometer.

 




Replies:
Posted By: Stripedbusa
Date Posted: December/19/2008 at 9:04am
Thanks Brock, because MR9 was getting scarce around here and I've never tried MR11. I'm very interested in how the XXX fuels work, especially if it doesn't have to be drained regularly.I run MR9 in my 14 and MRX01 in my 1397 Busa.

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00 Busa-SWB / 06 ZX14-62" /08 Busa-SWB


Posted By: Red1
Date Posted: January/01/2009 at 12:22pm
Brock,

Can MRX01 be left in the tank or does it need to be drained?

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Red


Posted By: tommy2671
Date Posted: January/01/2009 at 7:36pm
Drain it.

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2008 KAWASAKI ZX14 (ALL BROCKED OUT)


Posted By: Raced Guy
Date Posted: January/05/2009 at 1:26pm
  Does anyone know what the shelf life of mr11 is once opened.  I bought 5gal end of this last season and only used about 1 gal.  Im hoping it wont be bad by spring?

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2008 Busa-9.30@153 lowered-strapped,brocks exhaust, stock wheel base, no air shifter


Posted By: jasongillum
Date Posted: January/05/2009 at 1:34pm

I have found as long as it is in a sealed container and kept very cool...It lasts a couple of months...but I would not bet on it, sometimes it goes bad very quickly...and make sure its in the metal can it came in, because the plastic jugs make it break down sooner.

Let me know if you have any other questions.



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Jason Gillum


Posted By: Raced Guy
Date Posted: January/06/2009 at 1:52pm

  Its sitting in the cold side of our shop so its about 10-30 on average so i hope it will still be good, or othewise what a waste.  Thanks for your input !



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2008 Busa-9.30@153 lowered-strapped,brocks exhaust, stock wheel base, no air shifter


Posted By: jasongillum
Date Posted: January/06/2009 at 2:06pm
No problem, let me know if you have any other questions.

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Jason Gillum


Posted By: nicks1
Date Posted: January/17/2009 at 5:12am
TP DROP IN KIT WHAT THE MOST REARWHEEL HP CAN I GET

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YES


Posted By: 07zx14
Date Posted: January/23/2009 at 3:07pm
With about 50 dry shot of NOS with the 2mil kit. What's the best race fuel to run?

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The King


Posted By: jasongillum
Date Posted: January/23/2009 at 3:27pm

07ZX14,

MRX01 should be great for you.

Nicks1

You could see about 190 with good fuel.



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Jason Gillum


Posted By: SticknMove
Date Posted: March/03/2009 at 4:28pm
I know this may be an old question, but is it wrong to utilize 87 octane pump fuel, sunoco, or shell in 07 zx14?  I was told by others that it would not hurt my motor.

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"The New King"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March/03/2009 at 4:40pm
On the 14s and the 08 Busas we actually use 89 octane, we have found that it works very well


Posted By: Hotboi74
Date Posted: May/05/2009 at 7:08pm

I'm trying to order some MR11 for out here in AZ. I'm assuming the MR11 runs great in the 08 Busa's right? 



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Jerry Martinez Jr
08 Busa
9.13 1.38 60ft
147mph


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: May/06/2009 at 8:46am

Hotboi74,

We use MR11 now since MR9 cannot be found, it works best with our track map and air filter removed at the dragstrip, works great in the 08 Busa.

Do not leave in tank, drain the best you can and run pump gas through the system.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May/06/2009 at 8:47am
Hotboi74, yes it will work great.


Posted By: Hotboi74
Date Posted: May/07/2009 at 10:16am

Yeah, I'm using the track map w/ 91 octane (ran a 9.49) and it is awesome!!!  Can't wait to get ahold of some MR11.  Thanks guys for the info.  



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Jerry Martinez Jr
08 Busa
9.13 1.38 60ft
147mph


Posted By: Mrron
Date Posted: May/09/2009 at 5:21pm
I'm going to try race fuel in my 08 Busa,(Sunoco standard 110 octane with a specific gravity of 0.728 non-oxygenated leaded). Can I run this fuel straight or do I need to mix it with pump gas.


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: May/11/2009 at 9:51am
The Sunoco or any high octane pump gas will kill power, we se better performance and higher HP #'s with 87 and 89 octane. If you do not have alot of compression you do not need the high octane.


Posted By: Hotboi74
Date Posted: May/11/2009 at 1:34pm
Running the MR11 in my 08 busa, is it ok to continue the stock spark plugs or should I colder or hotter?  Thanks. 

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Jerry Martinez Jr
08 Busa
9.13 1.38 60ft
147mph


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May/11/2009 at 1:52pm
Yes it is fine to use the stock plugs with it.


Posted By: E1000
Date Posted: June/05/2009 at 5:47pm
anyone tried using Q16? 

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E*1000
07 ZX14
E85
ALIEN HEAD


Posted By: Brock
Date Posted: June/08/2009 at 6:50pm

We have not tired Q16.

Here is VP's description:

NEW! Q16
Q16 will work well in any drag racing or circle track application -- naturally aspirated, nitrous or blowers. Q16 is highly oxygenated, requiring a 4-6% increase in fuel flow, which will make 3-5% more power than competitive 116 octane fuels. Q16's oxygenation will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability, so performance will be more consistent and won't vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. For bracket racers, variations in ET from run to run will be substantially reduced. This added fuel flow also effectively increases its octane by 6-8 numbers above its standard ASTM octane rating.

  • Color: Yellow
  • Oxygenated: Yes
  • Motor Octane 116
  • Research Octane: 120+
  • Specific Gravity: .716 at 60° F

Brock



Posted By: wildrice
Date Posted: July/01/2009 at 10:51pm
Quote: Originally posted by Brock on June 08 09

We have not tired Q16.

Here is VP's description:

NEW! Q16
Q16 will work well in any drag racing or circle track application -- naturally aspirated, nitrous or blowers. Q16 is highly oxygenated, requiring a 4-6% increase in fuel flow, which will make 3-5% more power than competitive 116 octane fuels. Q16's oxygenation will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability, so performance will be more consistent and won't vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. For bracket racers, variations in ET from run to run will be substantially reduced. This added fuel flow also effectively increases its octane by 6-8 numbers above its standard ASTM octane rating.

  • Color: Yellow
  • Oxygenated: Yes
  • Motor Octane 116
  • Research Octane: 120+
  • Specific Gravity: .716 at 60° F

Brock

I ran Q16 in a 2006 Busa with Piston slip kit 13/1 compression this weekend at Maxton, NC 1 mi top speed run.  Temp was 97 degrees--very hot poor air.  My top speed after 6 runs on Sat & Sun was 172 mph.  I have hit 192 & 194 mph without nitrous in 2008 & 2007.   this weekend I had 4 size 20 jets screwed into throttle body's.  Nitrous didn't seem to help--just made for a bucking pull.My 1st run was all motor on Q16 & I was still in 5th gear at 169 mph.  Re-dyno the bike in Columbus today at 232 rwhp.  Sprockets were stock 17 front & 37 rear.  Thus I am not a fan of Q16.  My 190+ runs were using Q4.

Darrell





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2006 Hayabusa--piston slip kit. 4" over
193.6 mph Maxton Mile June 2008


Posted By: prunty80
Date Posted: August/26/2009 at 2:05am
Is there a race fuel that can be left in the tank?

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Go Getta


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: August/26/2009 at 8:41am
not that i know of, any oxygenated fuels cannot be left in your tank.


Posted By: JOHNS
Date Posted: October/23/2009 at 4:47pm
Do you reccomend MR11 or MRX01 for higher compression ratios? My 06 ZX-14 has the compression set at 13.4/1. Brian built the motor two years ago and advised me to use good quality 93 octane pump gas on the street.


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: October/26/2009 at 8:01am

MR11 is 90 octane

MRX01 is 98 octane and works well with nitrous.

Use MRX01



Posted By: soulis
Date Posted: December/05/2009 at 5:16pm
Quote: Originally posted by jasongillum on January 05 09

I have found as long as it is in a sealed container and kept very cool...It lasts a couple of months...but I would not bet on it, sometimes it goes bad very quickly...and make sure its in the metal can it came in, because the plastic jugs make it break down sooner.

Let me know if you have any other questions.





Posted By: soulis
Date Posted: December/05/2009 at 5:24pm

Hi,i call from Greece-Europe and i have one Question about who VP fuel is better and give more power to my BKING,leaded or unleaded(we dont have rules about fuels)Stock engine,brocks sortmeg,K&N,PCV,Dyna Arc-2,Factory stacks,Factory +4 advancer.Here we have in stock VP fuels; Mrx-01,MR9,MR11,C12,C14,SV-05,MS109,U4-2,REGARDS

 



Posted By: tommy2671
Date Posted: December/05/2009 at 5:47pm
MR9 then MR11

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2008 KAWASAKI ZX14 (ALL BROCKED OUT)


Posted By: wheele rider
Date Posted: December/17/2009 at 2:43pm
Does mr11 work just as well to clean injectors as mr9 did?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/17/2009 at 2:52pm
Yes, it does, however, if you are looking for something a little less expensive we have had great results with our new Powercharge, you can go here and check it out.  http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/brockracing/-strse-2832/Fuel-System-Treatment/Detail">http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/brockracing/-strse-2832/Fuel-System-Treatment/Detail 


Posted By: wheele rider
Date Posted: December/19/2009 at 12:22am
Cool thanks


Posted By: Donald Hanshaw
Date Posted: January/14/2010 at 11:17am
 Please tell me who said no more mr-9 ? MRI has it  for Mirock , mr-9 and other  Vp fuels will be available at track 2010  . 2 years ago i was told this so i called VP. thay told  me it was in stock and had no plans to stop making Mr-9.

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DRH


Posted By: jefro
Date Posted: March/08/2010 at 11:14am

Anybody try the new MR-12? VP claims 5% more HP than MR-9!



Posted By: BLKICE
Date Posted: March/12/2010 at 6:20pm

Brock,

Do you plan on testing MR12 v/s MR9 soon? I have stock motor 07 zx14.



Posted By: ft campbell bus
Date Posted: March/13/2010 at 10:10am
VP advertisement makes the new MR12 look really promising!

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2006 Hayabusa.......Extended, Brock Full System,PC, Strap, Clutch Mod, Shinko


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: March/16/2010 at 9:19am
I have not heard of any testing to be done but that could change.


Posted By: soetje
Date Posted: March/18/2010 at 12:08am
Hi EJ I can't get mr9 but I can get mr12 do I need a new map?will you have one soon? gsxr1000 2005 street mega head gasket trc pc3 web cam

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2005 GSXR1000


Posted By: cbr9rider
Date Posted: March/18/2010 at 9:43am

I see that they are making a new MR12 is this about the same as MR11? And will my maps pretty much stay the same?

 

Thanks



Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: March/18/2010 at 4:28pm

soetje & cbr9rider,

The MR12 is very similar to the MR11, same octane rating and both are oxygenated, we have not tested the MR12 but the MR9 & MR11 both work with the same mapping so the MR12 should work fine with our track map.

All are leaded fuels.



Posted By: cbr9rider
Date Posted: March/19/2010 at 12:02pm

Thanks one other quick question.  Does these need to be drained out of tank at end of day?



Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: March/19/2010 at 1:51pm
Yes, same as MR9 & MR11


Posted By: 04gixxer
Date Posted: April/11/2010 at 8:21pm
just wanbt to make sure I got this right. I have a stock 04 GSXR 1000 with a sidewinder and a brocks track map. Do I need it remapped for MR9 or MR11 or can I use the map already installed.

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Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: April/12/2010 at 10:42am
Track map is for MR9, MR11 and MR12 with air filter removed, if you have the track map installed you do not need to remap.


Posted By: george
Date Posted: April/16/2010 at 6:44am

What kind of E.T. difference will the MR fuels make over 87 pump gas?

07 GSXR1000, sidewinder, strapped, 64"

 



Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: April/16/2010 at 1:36pm
7-10 HP gain, can make bike harder to launch because of increased power so it would depend on the rider.


Posted By: Hotboi74
Date Posted: May/08/2010 at 10:22pm
For those that haven't tried the MR12, I've been running the MR12 in my 08 Busa for 2 weeks now.  I was running MR11 prior.  I spoke with my VP folks out here in Phoenix to find out what the difference was between the two fuels.  I was told the new MR12 is more oxygenated that the 11.  I can honestly say I love the new stuff (and it smells good!).  From 89 (9.50's) and  MR11 (9.40's), I ran 9.28 (about 100F and on a HOT slippery track) with MR12.  60ft went from 1.49-1.52 to 1.40-1.43.  I can really feel the bike pick up right off the light (on my setup)  Shooting for 8's when the weather cools off this year.  My opinion, VP just made a heck of a replacement for the MR11.  I highly recommend for all you MR fuel guys.  You won't be disappointed.  Also, as reminder, you still need to drain the tank after use.     

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Jerry Martinez Jr
08 Busa
9.13 1.38 60ft
147mph


Posted By: JO600
Date Posted: June/19/2010 at 3:04am
Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on March 19 10
Yes, same as MR9 & MR11
what would be best out the 3 for an 07 gsxr 750 full brock alien head and ur track map


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: June/21/2010 at 9:57am
any of the three when using track map with air filter removed.


Posted By: stcalder
Date Posted: July/16/2010 at 10:45am
have yall done any testing with E85? If so what kinda results did you get versus MR12.


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: July/16/2010 at 11:16am
No and we will not test it, E85 (85% ethanol) does not make any power.


Posted By: swiftkart
Date Posted: September/27/2010 at 1:00pm
Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on July 16 10
No and we will not test it, E85 (85% ethanol) does not make any power.
That's interesting, my zx14 makes 10 hp more with E85 than 87 and 89 pump gas.


Posted By: *EJ*
Date Posted: September/27/2010 at 1:31pm
It has an ethanol content which is far too high compared to standard fossil fuels. It’s 85% ethanol and 15% pump gas.

E85 cars are actually closed loop and will self compensate by adding additional fuel on the fly. Bikes don't work this way, I believe it could cause engine damage from an excessively lean condition.


Posted By: swiftkart
Date Posted: October/04/2010 at 1:14pm
Quote: Originally posted by *EJ* on September 27 10
It has an ethanol content which is far too high compared to standard fossil fuels. It’s 85% ethanol and 15% pump gas.

E85 cars are actually closed loop and will self compensate by adding additional fuel on the fly. Bikes don't work this way, I believe it could cause engine damage from an excessively lean condition.

Not if you remap for the fuel, people have been running it for a couple of years in bikes, myself included.


Posted By: Brock
Date Posted: October/09/2010 at 8:42pm

Swiftkart,

EJ did not relay my answer on the subject correctly, my apologies. 

Most current motorcycle fuel systems cannot easily support the additional fuel volume required to run E85. Currently, the proven exceptions to this rule would be the ZX-14 and the BMW. Our testing on (dual injector) Suzuki’s found little or no additional power gain due to the inability to properly deliver the correct A/F ratio on the dyno, which was even worse during the longer run time on the track, hence the (very general) no power statement. FYI: These tests were performed with single power commanders using the stock fuel systems, as we are in the bolt-on/plug-in business. Given enough time, expense, hassle—the power increase noticed from the higher energy value of the ethanol (combined with the reduction of inlet temperature) is undisputable. 

Because bikes do not have the ability to instantly adapt between E85 and pump gas, as a car would, and we do not consider forcing a customer to deal with any number of expense-adding/complicated means of adding an additional map, just to get home without fouling his plugs if they can’t find an E85 pump… we don’t support E85 mapping. For race use, we haven’t seen enough of a performance gain to justify the additional work/trouble/technical support issues for the minimal number of customer requests. BTW, the total number of requests is less than a handful since E85 was introduced. 

Although more expensive, we suggest powerful oxygenated race fuels, such as VP MR12, for an instant/measurable performance gain with very little additional trouble. 

I hope this helps clear things up. 

Brock



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Date Posted: October/23/2010 at 5:32am
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Posted By: tommy2671
Date Posted: October/23/2010 at 9:25am
Welcome!

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2008 KAWASAKI ZX14 (ALL BROCKED OUT)


Posted By: swiftkart
Date Posted: November/13/2010 at 6:43pm
Quote: Originally posted by Brock on October 09 10

Swiftkart,

EJ did not relay my answer on the subject correctly, my apologies. 

Most current motorcycle fuel systems cannot easily support the additional fuel volume required to run E85. Currently, the proven exceptions to this rule would be the ZX-14 and the BMW. Our testing on (dual injector) Suzuki’s found little or no additional power gain due to the inability to properly deliver the correct A/F ratio on the dyno, which was even worse during the longer run time on the track, hence the (very general) no power statement. FYI: These tests were performed with single power commanders using the stock fuel systems, as we are in the bolt-on/plug-in business. Given enough time, expense, hassle—the power increase noticed from the higher energy value of the ethanol (combined with the reduction of inlet temperature) is undisputable. 

Because bikes do not have the ability to instantly adapt between E85 and pump gas, as a car would, and we do not consider forcing a customer to deal with any number of expense-adding/complicated means of adding an additional map, just to get home without fouling his plugs if they can’t find an E85 pump… we don’t support E85 mapping. For race use, we haven’t seen enough of a performance gain to justify the additional work/trouble/technical support issues for the minimal number of customer requests. BTW, the total number of requests is less than a handful since E85 was introduced. 

Although more expensive, we suggest powerful oxygenated race fuels, such as VP MR12, for an instant/measurable performance gain with very little additional trouble. 

I hope this helps clear things up. 

Brock


I agree with you, most stock fuel systems won't work with the fuel, I am going to try some MR12, from what I'm hearing, it should do a lot better than the E85.

Thanks



Posted By: RapidRoy
Date Posted: March/25/2011 at 6:49pm
Have you ever tested 100LL (avgas)

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