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Motor Oil 2007- **PLEASE READ**MOBIL 1 - Event Date: January/01/1900 - January/01/1900 |
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Brock ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 231 |
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Guys, Mobil 1 has apparently actually changed the formulation (all weights) of its fully synthetic car oil we have been using for years….. In the past, they only changed the label, but the product worked well. We have had a rash of welded clutch pusher assemblies (and damaged clutches) in the first part of 2007. Nearly all can be traced Our 2007 Oil advice at this point (in order): 1. We use our Alisyn <<0 in all of our s 2. Quaker state 20w-50 (Big CC/Nitrous) or 10w-30 (s 3. Find the highest quality, fully synthetic MOTORCYCLE oil you can; Royal Purple, Red Line, Amsoil, Golden Spectro….etc. We have also had very good results with Motul and Mo 4. ANY fully synthetic mo Note: We try I hope this helps! Brock |
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qmizer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June/29/2007 Status: Offline Points: 107 |
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Hey Brock,THANKS FOR ALL YOU GUYS INPUT AND PRODUCTS!!!! GOT ME RUNNIN THEM BROKE!!!!! QUESTION IS THIS, I` VE BEEN USING MOBIL 5-30 AND SEEMS LIKE I SHOULD BE SWITICHING TO SOMETHING BETTER, WHERE CAN I GET ALISYN<<0?IS THIS 5-30??? MOST SHOPS AROUND MY AREA DON`T SELL IT,SAYING IT NOT GOOD, BUT IF YOUR USING IT,I GOT TO GET IT. |
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qmizer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June/29/2007 Status: Offline Points: 107 |
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I DON`T KNOW WHERE TO GET ANY OF THE ALISYN<<0? MY SHOPS AROUND HERE DON`T SELL IT. IS THIS A 5-30 OIL? WHAT`S THE NEXT BEST OIL TO RUN? WAS USING THE MOBIL 5-30 |
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quentin, we sell alisyn < o weight here in the shop if you would like you can give us a call and order it through us
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06busa_LE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: March/09/2007 Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Isn't Quaker State 10w30 an energy conserving oil? If so, isn't that bad for wet clutches?
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JOHNS ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February/23/2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Brock, is the new reccomendation on Mobil 1 only for the car spesific product or does it include their 10W-40 motorcycle oil also (now called racing 4T)? |
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Brock ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 231 |
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JOHNS, We had HP problems in the past with the Mobil 1 bike oil vs. their car oil...that's why we stuck with the car oil. We now carry <<0, 0W-20,10W-30, 15W-50 and 20W-50 Alisyn oil to help cure this mess. It may be next week until we have them all listed in our store. Until then, call to place your order. 937-912-0054 Brock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ps. My advice: 1. <<0 for all stock engines in normal climates. 2. 0W-20 for stock engines in warmer climates (AND if you are afraid to use the <<0!!) 3. 10W-30 for modified engines up to 250 HP normally aspirated. 4. 15W-40 Modified engines above 250HP with Nitrous etc.- Billet Crank engines also. 5. 20W-50 for Turbo engines making 500HP or more.....
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gunker ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: February/25/2007 Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Ya i had the welded clutch rod also, have since switched to dino 20-50. It smells better too.
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holeshot ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November/20/2006 Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Based on this thread I swapped out of the Mobil 1 to organic. The organic allows the clutch on the 14 to hook-up so much more that I had to pull 2 of my heavy duty springs and replace them with stock in order to keep the front on the ground. My 60ft went from 1.42 to 1.44, but I think that I may get more life out of my steels as I have tended to warp one or so about every 10 runs. We'll see.
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Birdoprey ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July/12/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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Hey Brock, What is your recomendation for a 200rwhp NA oilcooled 1340? How 'bout with a 50 or so wet shot? I was told the oil cooled motors need a thicker oil so the cams/rockers stick around longer...??? |
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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Birdoprey, 15W-50
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Birdoprey ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July/12/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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*EJ*, Which of the above oils comes in that weight, and would work best with the wet clutches? Thanks for the reply! - Mark |
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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Birdoprey, sorry 15W-40, we have it in Alisyn Pro Drive 21.
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hick1300 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: April/14/2003 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Did they change the formulation in the synthetic car oil 15w-50 mobil 1 as well?
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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hick1300, not sure, if the bottle has Energy Conserving on it then it has been changed.
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kawaking ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August/02/2005 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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hmmm the quakerstate that is organic can somebody send me a link with the picture of the bottle because I am not sure wich one it is and the guy here on the island sells the oil does not know if it is organic !!!
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kawaking ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August/02/2005 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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Cant nobody tell me what the quakerstate bottle looks like ! !!!!!!
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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kawaking, go to an auto parts store and get the 10W30 or 10W40 conventional Quaker State oil.
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kawaking ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August/02/2005 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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ok thank you very much
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SticknMove ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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EJ or Brock, I've been using 10w 40 Castrol in my bike, should I switch? Is this the reason I've been hearing a rattling noise in the bike or could it be the timing chain when I initially start it.
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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SticknMove, the ZX-14 has a rattling noise at start up, this is normal. We recommend the Alisyn 0W20, we have it for $10.00 a quart. It makes the best power with the protection you need.
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atticdog ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: March/13/2004 Status: Offline Points: 40 |
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anyone use the mobil1 0w-30 in the new greenish bottles?
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prunty80 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: July/07/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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quaker state 10w30(organic), is it a car or motorcycle oil? Does it run better than the fully synthetic motorcycle oils?
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Go Getta
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Black Magic ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August/21/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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Quote: Originally posted by Brock o |
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Black Magic ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August/21/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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BROCK PLESE HELP ME! MY friend use to race for AMA he told me to use 20W-50 AMSOIL Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, because we live in NY and in the summer it get's real hot 100 plus degrees and we are usually in sit still traffic. I'M using 10W40 AMSOIL should i change, or what should i be using. I have a stock engine it a zx10 R. I do a lot of street and road racing.
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Bikes are not for everyone. Just us crazy people. Speed u gotta love it.
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tommy2671 ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: July/26/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 589 |
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10w40 will be fine.
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2008 KAWASAKI ZX14 (ALL BROCKED OUT)
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Black Magic ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August/21/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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how good is 20w50 over 10w40. what's the good and what's the bad
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Bikes are not for everyone. Just us crazy people. Speed u gotta love it.
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jasongillum ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May/14/2003 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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20w 50 is way too thick for a stock motor...its killing free hp. Use something thinner on a stock engine. If you have a lot of spray or boost then use something thick like this.
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JOJO ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April/19/2006 Status: Offline Points: 16 |
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Brock what about the Motul synthetic 5100 10w 40 in a bike making around 300 on the nitrous? |
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jasongillum ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May/14/2003 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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With power levels over 300 on spray, you should use at least 10-40 but I would use 20-50w oil just to be safe. Alisyn, Alisyn, Alisyn
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BLKICE ![]() Private Access ![]() Joined: March/24/2009 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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IS Valvoline motorcycle 4 stroke 10w-40 dino good for 07 ZX14. ZX14 manual states to add 4 and 1/3 QTs when chaging the oil and filter. Is this much oil hurting HP? I Street ride everyday it is not raining and 1/8 mile once or twice a week. If it is too much, how much should I put in? I change oil every 3000 miles. Thanks in advance,
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jasongillum ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May/14/2003 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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You should always check the oil level in the sight glass. I would run it at the lower level on the sight glass, which should be around 3.75 qts.
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bigdtd ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November/21/2006 Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Its your timing chain adjuster
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2006 Black ZX-14,Brock's Street Meg,PC w/Maxton map,butterflies out
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gripgb ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July/01/2009 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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With the alyson, how long do you go between oil changes?
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ANDER K. TAYLOR ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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260hp busa all Brock out (1397)10w40 lucas motorcycle oil works great
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*EJ* ![]() Guest ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1094 |
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We change every 3,000 mi or at the end of riding season. Also if you smoke your clutch. |
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Donald Hanshaw ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September/15/2005 Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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4 years racing useing mobil 1 10w 40 T4 in 1142 stroker suzuki . and last yaer in a 08 busa. after the first year my eng. builder check all crank bearings all spec. out minimum wear. He will inspec. the 1142 this week for wear i will let you all know the out come. What bikers do not do change oil enough when racing. race fuel,clutch , etc. in the oil will cause wear , that oil have to be clanged after max. 10 rounds at the track. 10 w 40 will thin out to 30 to 35 weight , some oils more. I asked my builder what oil ,what weight, he said SYNTHETIC , 30 weight.
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Brock ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 231 |
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To be clear.. We have never seen a welded pusher assembly using Alisyn under normal conditions/use. But, it might be possible under extreme conditions of clutch spring coil bind or excessive weight on a lock-up assembly (levers) after pulling the clutch in at the end of a run? The symptoms include: 1. Noise from behind the sprocket or clutch cover (from the rotating assembly). 2. Erratic clutch feel 3. Vibration at the lever 4. Inability for the clutch to release at the end of a run (aka, clutch drag) 5. Inability select neutral 6. Clutch creep. The resolution is to remove the parts and replace them. In some less severe case, the parts can be broken apart, filed and reused **IF** the case hardening of the parts is not damaged by the heat. IN ALL CASES, THE CAUSE OF PROBLEM WHICH CREATED THE WELDING MUST BE TROUBLESHOT AND ELIMINATED. Brock
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yotebomb ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: July/23/2009 Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Quick question. When Brock recomends oil weight is that strictly for track use or can it also be used on the highway? Changed oil this past fall filled with Amsoil 0-20w. I have not ran the bike with anything this light. ZX-12R BROCKED OUT AND RIPPEN' ASS!
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BLKICE ![]() Private Access ![]() Joined: March/24/2009 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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I have a Stock motor ZX14 (300lb rider). I used Alisyn 0W20 last season. I'm think of adding a 40-60 dry shot, which Alisyn oil should I use? I Street ride everyday the weather allows and 1/8 mile once or twice a week.
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